FWIW, the reason "suckers and losers" is considered a "hoax" is because the since-public witness was Trump's own chief of staff and he has been retroactively downgraded from "Credible Trump Defender" to "Never Trump Liar" in response, as is standard https://www.axios.com/2023/10/02/trump-troops-fallen-soldiers-john-kelly https://bird.makeup/@mattgertz/1904901487521571318
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