Benjy Sarlin
FWIW, the reason "suckers and losers" is considered a "hoax" is because the since-public witness was Trump's own chief of staff and he has been retroactively downgraded from "Credible Trump Defender" to "Never Trump Liar" in response, as is standard https://www.axios.com/2023/10/02/trump-troops-fallen-soldiers-john-kelly
Matthew Gertz
Trump admin running the "flood the zone with shit" strategy on the Goldberg story -- attack his past reporting, try to finagle a distinction between "war plans" and "attack plans," suggesting he conspired to be added to the chat, this, etc
