Haviv Rettig Gur
Shabbat is coming. I'm done with Ryan. But for the record, after obfuscating and diverting and trying every trick in the book to wriggle out of it, Ryan realizes (and very nearly acknowledges while trying to pretend he isn't acknowledging) that he has no evidence that the Bibas kids were killed by an Israeli airstrike except the say-so of their kidnappers -- after he repeatedly called this simple fact a lie. And here's the kicker: Hamas's say-so is enough for him, because like most anti-Israel foreigners, this isn't really about us. It's about some other fight he's fighting somewhere else. Israelis and Palestinians aren't real people with real and complex stories, they're mere characters in that ideological fantasy running in his head. And real knowledge -- about Hamas, about the war, about Palestinian discourse and what Israelis actually think is happening here -- aren't relevant to that fantasy. As I said, I'm done with him. But if the rest of you want to keep his army of trolls busy, have at it. My suggestion? Get off social media. Shabbat is coming. Go hug your loved ones. Online battles with dishonest people can wait till Sunday.
Ryan Grim
The “additional evidence” is that they claimed they were killed in November 2023 and Israel cast doubt on that claim, or pretended to. Now it is confirmed they told the truth about the timing. As to the manner, you can’t possibly believe the world will accept the nonsensical charge that the Mujahadeen Brigades would take a family hostage in an effort to exchange them, and then a few weeks later decide instead to kill then with their bare hands. It’s stunning that you think anybody will believe that. Meanwhile, we know that Israel was targeting people who went into Israel on 10/7 and we know that they were not checking whether there might be hostages with them. Common sense and all the evidence we have suggests they were killed in an Israeli air strike